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10/29/2011

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MazMHussain

Regarding the last point about Pakistan's tolerance of different groups operating under its purview, its interests are definitely served by having actors with regional ambitions but definitely not by those with global ambitions (ie. Al Qaeda). It doesn't help them to back groups which would bring the heat down on them by launching an attack on the U.S, but they're never going to war against the people that help them maintain their strategic depth in Afghanistan. I'm all for putting a chill on the extremely dysfunctional relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan, big difference between that and escalating armed hostilities.

Naelok

I can't believe you're sticking to your guns on this idiocy still. Are you trying to get your old job at the New Republic back? Looking to get invited to some of Marty Peretz's wine and cheese parties again? Goddamnit Ackerman.

Look, cutting off aid while bombing a country while siding with its most hated foe *is* escalating the war in Pakistan and walking straight down the path to full-scale war. The 'aid' dollars are essentially a bribe that's being paid to the corrupt Pakistani government to make bombing the country not a Pak-American war. Stop feigning ignorance about this issue.

I understand you're trying to save face here, but you're embarrassing yourself. Hussain's article sticks a boot right up your ass and now you're trying to play the 'well what I actually meant was...' game. But it's silly and you know it's silly. Just admit that you've been shut down and move on.

Bill

Uh, which is it, Naelok? Is the aid we give Pakistan a bribe for it's corrupt leaders, or is cutting off said aid an act of war, or escalating one?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

I'm also a bit tired of the argument that Pakistan supports these criminals because it has to live with whatever government takes power after the US leaves, as if either Quetta Shura or Haqqani would be inevitable without the support from the ISI that created them in the first place. Puh-lease.

Naelok

Bombing = act of war against Pakistan.

Bribing the country to look the other way = Pakistan doesn't go to war after having their territory unilaterally bombed.

Not bribing the country to look the other way while still bombing it = War.

Is this clear? Incidentally, in case you're still having trouble with it, let me throw in this one for free:

Not bribing the country while not bombing it = no war.

empty

According to the IMF Pakistan has spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 billion dollars on our wonderful war on terror. We claim to have given Pakistan 20 billion dollars in aid. I think most Pakistanis would be plenty happy and significantly richer and safer with the "no bribes and no bombs" option.

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